Friday, January 17, 2014

More About "The Truth"

I came across this older article from the NEA and was immediately drawn to the comments following it.

Some choice remarks from people who can't get teaching jobs to save their lives:

? | 2010/04/29
I'm enthusiastic about teaching and think it's an outstanding career. I actually gave up 140K a year because I couldn't see how important it was to make a business profitable when our future seem unprofitable without the success of our service industry. I'm a Tech Ed teacher. My gripe with employment is that it seems that we work hard for a year or two, develop our curriculum and get to know the school, staff and students yet when it's time to attain tenure, we are released. Is it fear of commitment on the part of the district? I love what I do but I have a life to live, four daughters to raise and I need a commitment from districts that's as strong as the commitment I have to teach. Is NEA working on that?"

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Christa | 2011/09/10
Hi I'm a career changer with an MAT and five years of substituting. I was passed over for a part-time teaching position and it was given to someone right out of college half my age. How do I compete in this market with that?"

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clyde | 2011/11/15
I've been looking for a T position in PA since 1991 with a degree in Elementary Education. With no success, I was told to go back to get a degree in Special Education. 20 years later, I've given up and realize that I only have 3 more years until Act 48 credits are due again. (I'll be 60) It is a crying shame to have to retire from a job that I never had. I substitute at the HS and MS level and constantly hear teachers mispronounce words or just make mistakes. I wonder sometimes how they procured a position when I haven't. I probably shouldn't think that way but I don't think districts care much about grades received by teacher candidates. I graduated magmna *** laude and am close to a masters. I came from a poor family and worked my way through school. I though America was the place of upward mobility.
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Kathy | 2012/07/14
Age discrimination is very prevalent out there and veteran teachers are not valued. Most of the public is not aware that their kids are not getting the most qualified teacher but an alternative teacher who has never taught. Why isn't something being done NEA? We should get priority over inexperienced people. It is not right!"
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Bonnie Perry in Wyoming | 2012/09/01
Well, I know how you feel. I am 47, went back to school to get a teaching degree I have wanted since I was in the eighth grade,only to find no one will hire me. Now I am despondent, and wish I would never had taken out so much money in loans for a degree I will never use."
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miss bojangles | 2012/10/16
Iam an experienced teacher who was laid off after 8 years of teaching. At the tender age of 50 nobody seems to want to hire me. I've been looking for 2 years. Age discrimination is rampant in Massachusetts and the DOE,MTA,NEA are doing NOTHING about it. I have had 2 interviews in 2 years, no offers."
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Laura | 2013/03/28
I agree that there is blatant age discrimination in my area of St. Louis. I am in my 40's and have been looking for a general education job for over 3 years. I have near perfect praxis scores. I have a 4.00 grade point average. I have long-term substitute experience, plus business experience. No one will give me a chance. Yet, every school I sub at, has young twenty-something teachers teaching. These girls are hired right out of college without even having subbed! Parents are constantly complaining about the lack of experience in these schools. I don't understand why principals would not see the value of hiring a first year teacher with some life experience?? It really is cruel and the NEA should do something about it. There should also be a campaign for colleges/universities to stop encouraging students to waste their money and pursue teaching degrees. There are so few jobs out there....it is like stealing from a person."
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CynthiA | 2013/05/31
Laura...I am right there with you...I graduated when I was 45....and now I am 53 - still no job. I have 3.98 grade point average...was consistently told I had some of the best lessons ever seen by more than one professor...I am a great sub ...am in constant demand and sub every single day because my management skils are so good. Yet - I can't get hired full time - while just like you say - young fresh out of college kids with no experience get right in. And of course they acquire attitudes against us subs thinking they must be oh so much better since they got the job and we didn't. I have hated to think age discrimination is going on - but there is no other explanation. Principals constantly tell me what a great job I do -yet won't hire me. Why ? Because they can CONTROL kids fresh out of college - that's why. It's MADDENING !! I have student loans to pay and I"ll be paying on them until I am 90 at this rate !"
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unemployed teacher | 2013/06/05
I am frustrated on the nepotism that goes on in school districts. How can these districts be given federal money when they clearly have discriminatory hiring practices. Principals kids, board members kids, teachers kids all get the jobs...it's discrimination."
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Alice | 2013/06/12
I agree with the previous poster, that graduates who have connections get the jobs. I have seen it personally multiple times in the north Georgia school districts I have tried to find jobs in. I also see where CynthiA is coming from, but she needs to understand that not ALL fresh grads are getting jobs in education. In fact, I speak from experience.when I say most arw strugglung to find jobs at all. One young lady I graduated with four years ago is still working at a pizza joint. A young man is working at a movie theater. I am a homemaker and babysit for money. I had a great gpa, experience as a tutor in college, a sub, an after school teacher, and a hospital homebound teacher, and now I am stuck paying back "grants" that were given to me as a student of English Education. . . Oh, and before you comment about English being oversaturated, I also have certification in special education and a master's. The job market stinks for everybody - no matter what age you are, and no matter your credentials. If you aren't connected by blood relations, you're up sh#* creek without a paddle."
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Responder | 2013/06/21
I hear you-- I am young and have applied to every place I can think of and even tried adding endorsements in higher need areas Someone said nepotism."
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Joe | 2013/07/08
My wife got a masters in teaching 6 years ago as a second career (We're in our early 50's). She has been a sub. She had a couple of part time non-continuing positions. In all these positions, she has had outstanding reviews and recommendations. Other teachers are shocked when she doesn't hired. Students are upset when she isn't hired. It is clear and obvious obvious discrimination and nepotism. They keep hiring the young Barbies with Minnie Mouse baby voices. This should be illegal (Pretty sure it is, but hard to prove)."
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The Truth | 2013/07/26
If you are a good sub, the idiot principals will not hire you because you are way too convenient and trust worthy and they don't have to look for a sub they trust. If you are a bad sub and a complete idiot and look pretty or handsome than you will get hired or just show up and introduce your beautiful young self than you will get hired. The subculture of teaching is awful. Trust me, I see this every day at school. Knox County TN is all about image and acting like they have a great district when it's awful. They play on their iphones during interviews laughing about something they are viewing. I ask them if they are paying attention but they said "no, I am not going to hire that guy. I am hiring that hot chick!"
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Alissa | 2013/07/31
I graduated in 2002, subbed for a year, taught preschool part time and subbed for two years then subbed again until 2006. After my son was born I stayed home with him but decided to go back to school to get my masters in special ed (LD). I started subbing again in 2010 and now three years later still no job, No phone calls, nothing..... I live in a rural area so school choices are limited. Just about everyone in the lower elementary is related to someone else or graduated from the local HS. This summer I told my husband we need to move if I am going to get a job so I am now certified in three states and still nothing. It is very demoralizing!"
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Wanting@Teach | 2013/08/08
I am in the same boat as G Ava. Im a newly certified teach in Illinois and I am 44. I have been looking for my first full time teaching position for over 2 years now, with no luck. I am very motivated to start my new career. I search for jobs everyday with Chicago Public Schools and any district within 50 miles. I have heard for over 500 people applying for 1 position. I have had some interviews, but they don't call back! I have been substitute teaching for 2 years and my schools love me, but they never have openings for my endorsements. I am working on getting another endorsement, but it takes time. Most of these districts will post opening for teachers, wanting those with endorsements in Language arts, math, science, and social studies...its like they don't want to hire multiple teachers and just look for 1 who can teach all those classes...what cheap-stakes. I have heard from a teacher friend of mine that getting a job is all about "who you know", and I don't mean having a "network", but friends helping friends, Superintendents & Principals helping friends and their kids, etc. But you cant prove it."
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Smitty6890 | 2013/08/08
Me too, can't seem to catch a break on getting a job. This is my third year looking. Yet I watch 24 year old Barbie who has no reason being in a classroom get the job. I'm 46 and doing this as a second career. CAN WE HEAR from some principals on why this is. As rampant as this seems there should be a way to call them on it. Any lawyers?"
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Wanting2Teach | 2013/08/08
Good Luck on that, Smitty...We won't be able to prove it or prove the nepotism. For many of these Principals is a power kick, they whatever they want because they can. The school districts stand back and don't get involved, to keep their hands clean. My first long-term sub. (in my subject) was in Olive Branch, MS. and I thought it would be a great chance to apply for it, because the full-time teacher was not returning...until speaking with my neighboring teachers, they said to forget it because the Principal was only hiring new, young , cute female teachers...But we couldn't prove it...The best thing that happened was that he, the asst. principal, and school accountant got busted for stealing school funds..."
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Reply to wait to TEACH | 2013/08/12
I agree with you that school principals are corrupt! I wish with all the talk about education----we could focus on a real problem and that being favorites and worthless administration.......there are so many people who put in their couple of year, have no real results, and go take a very easy admin degree, and then play a power game!!! I was in a school once with a sick and pathetic principal (and then I was in another in school with one that would have made a great reality show she was so dishonest and rude and hated by all)who out of a staff of 87----in five years----now has one of those teachers left------86 were run off by her stupid lies and games....and every year she gets rid of twenty or so of her new staff----and nobody in district office looks at this sicko or checks her out-----there was even a rape in her building and she scooted thru. MORAL of the story-----never take a job without checking the status of the building----if a couple of people tell you horror stories----DON't GO!!!"
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Wanting2Teach | 2013/08/14
check this...I was checking the CPS job board for new openings and I found a M.S. Social Studies job that was posted, but was not posted the hour before. I quickly applied for it,sent my credentials, and emailed the Principal with all the same info. Within 5hrs, the Principal claims the job was filled. *** ???, impossible right? No wonder we have school s filled with untrained teachers, with such nepotism happening. All of us , teachers wanting to teach can't find full time positions, because our Daddies don't play golf with the Super. or Principal..."
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only in teaching do the best NOT get hired | 2013/08/17
I can relate to everything I have read here. My first wish would be for colleges to be HONEST with students especially elementary education teachers as far as job prospects or lack thereof when they get out. Second, yes it is who you know as far as principals hiring you. Who would believe that the best are not hired in teaching? but it is true...a sad truth. and of course if you have a big chest and are blonde your chances are much better that a principal will hire you. Forget getting hired if you are over 40."
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Larry McAwful | 2013/09/05
This article is somewhat out of date. A lot of districts have slashed teaching positions since it was written. I know Philadelphia, which was mentioned in the article as a place that needs teachers, has recently seen a massive cut handed down by Governor Corbett, who wasn't even elected at the time this article was written. I suppose it's still true that you should look where the shortages are and aim for those places, if relocation is an option. But the market for teachers today is far worse than it was just three years ago. I just got my master's and certification in ESL, English, French and history, and after firing out around 90 résumés, I've gotten five interviews and no offers. The school year here in the Boston area has begun, so what am I going to do? Return to the district where I was subbing last spring. I've applied to be a sub in other districts, since they pay more than the one where I am, but I haven't heard from them on that, either. I am a ball of stress. We have nearly no money. This career switch of mine has wound up straining my marriage. This market is hopeless."
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Anna | 2013/10/01
I feel the same way as everyone else does. I do not know where I am going wrong in my interviews. **** I went as far as to ask the last principal I met with, what am I doing wrong? He said 'just be yourself and you will be fine'......Fine? Be myself? How about you stop hiring the bad teachers whose the daughter of your secretary or the cousin of the man who is your sisters brother in laws sons best friends cousin who you owe a favor to and you will not have to hear the **** from district officials, parents, children, and others about how your test scores are horrid!?!?...Currently I am in a high school in NY as a Permanent Sub and it stinks. I get yelled at by all the administration because they are sooo "Stressed out" with the new curriculums and their daily lives. I am going to be 31 and I have learned to dislike the one career move I though I would love. I make 100 dollars a day (if kids are in school) and I recieve no benefits. Teachers then leave me NO WORK for their students or A WORKSHEET and the administration yells at me because it just is not enough work to occupy the students......seriously??? I have googled various ways to help myself and feel I would be making more money if I opened my own school at this point. I have a job so I am not complaining but in NY OLAS is suppose to help us obtain teaching jobs and it is at the point where I would like to sign a petition to close it down because it helps NO ONE. So thanks to our government and our power kicked Principals and AP's, we will all suffer and chose another career that will probably defeat us as well. Good luck to all!"
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The most astute observation was this one for which I can well relate, as I, too, was affected by double-dipping. I am frustrated with the double-dippers up there who take most of the substituting jobs, shutting the rest of us out, and I was kicked to the curb in Nevada in part to make room for a co-worker who was retiring right after I got canned. It was clear what HR was doing and decided to finagle the deal by classifying the retiree as my substitute, therefore avoiding charges that my dismissal was in fact a "constructive discharge":

Losing Faith | 2013/10/30
I stumbled across this article when I searched for tips on landing a teaching job. My story is like most of the others on here. I was getting steady work as a sub, so I decided that I wanted to pursue a teaching degree. Five years later and six figures of student loan debt later, I am still subbing and now working a second part-time seasonal job for minimum wage. Disconnect notices are piling up and student loan people are blowing my phone up. This is the most soul crushing experience of my life. I, like most others commenting here, have been passed over for positions due to not "knowing" or being related to the right person. I have also been told that having my master's degree only hurts me, because I am essentially too educated with little to no experience. Prior to receiving licensure, I was told my the principals at the school where I sub that they think that I have did an excellent job and that they would be happy to help me in anyway that they can once I graduate. Apparently talk is cheap, at least three positions opened up after I graduated, and I did not even receive an interview. I am still subbing at that school, and I am astonished at who/what they hired over me. If anyone is serious about fixing the educational system, the buddy system needs to be the first thing that goes out the door. I could tell you stories that could make your toes curl about what is allowed to go on only because of who the teacher is or knows. This is upsetting to me both as a teacher and as a parent. Another problem in my state is the in "need" areas, teachers are allowed to come back once they retire and work, while still drawing from their retirement. I think this is a rule/law that needs to go away. I know tons of people, not just myself, that are actively seeking employment in these areas, but cannot find work. Most notably to me, my own high school chemistry teacher, who passed out worksheets and told us to get started while he played on the computer checking sports stats. He just retired for a second time this past year. I often joke that I learned more from Walter White about chemistry than I ever did Mr. X in high school, sad but true. Now, the one thing that I did halfway have to depend on is being taken away. My days of subbing have dwindled as retired teachers have decided that they are bored at home. So, even though they are already receiving a retirement check, they are also getting to work over me since they are friends and past co-workers with the administrators. It's not really a big deal, it's not like I need to feed my child, have electricity, or have running water. I thought that getting obtaining my teaching degree would be a way for my family to live halfway securely, but I feel like I have only put more strain on us. I do not see anyway out at this point. Trying to stay positive is almost impossible. Possibly the most disheartening thing about all of this for me, someone who loves education and school, is that I do not feel like I can or should encourage anyone else to pursue a career in education. I am even starting to question the validity of college degree in today's world. I know people without a degree who are more secure, both in the job and financially, than I am. My advice is that if you are considering a career in education, reconsider."

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